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all right hi everyone welcome back to

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the rabbit hole conversations

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today i'm talking to sean rash

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sean is the host and researcher behind

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the phenomenal witness citizen youtube

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channel he's also a very talented

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musician i haven't really gotten a

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chance to speak to sean before but i

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very much admire his work and his

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approach to the topic and so i'm stoked

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to be able to share this conversation

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with you today so welcome to the show

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sean

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yeah thank you so much for having me i

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really do appreciate it kelly

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absolutely

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well let's dive right in so sure

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obviously you know you're a fellow

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creator in the ufo space and i would

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just love to hear more about your story

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so is this a topic that you were always

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interested in or was there something in

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particular that kind of brought this um

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to the forefront for you

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uh no i was never really interested in

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and typically throughout my life i i

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kind of go towards things that come to

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me organically

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and

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draw me in further

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and it got to a point where i had my own

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experience

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almost two years ago a year and a half

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ago now

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you know i'm i'm a do-it-yourself kind

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of person so

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you know i don't really like sitting

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around and waiting so

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um

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i just did what i knew

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to do which was you know just try to

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work for myself and research and try to

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figure out as much as i i could uh on

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the topic

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you know and with no

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sort of um

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uh bias you know i wasn't

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trying to find aliens i wasn't trying to

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find

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uh anything in particular if it was you

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know some sort of weird natural

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phenomenon or interdimensional stuff

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whatever i just wanted to find you know

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what was this

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what existed what was real what wasn't

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and so i just went into

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a research mode and just tried to find

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anything i could

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you know with the resources i had which

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was basically the internet the computer

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so and i found

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i quickly started finding some

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legitimate documents some ufo documents

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from the air force

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um osi

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office of special investigations and

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you know that uh kind of took me to the

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point of where i am now and

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um so

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you know after reading enough cases

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because it wasn't just a couple cases

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there there's all sorts of cases there's

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cases where some are hoaxes some are

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um you know something stupid like a

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plane or whatever

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um actually a lot of real cases with um

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um or you know just civilians too

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they see things doing um

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incredible

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um things whether it be 90 degree turns

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at you know 3 500 miles an hour or

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captured on radar and visually

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readily available explanation and that's

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the truth of the matter you know i've

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read enough of those cases where

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i know that there is a phenomenon that

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so that once i realized that and learned

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that um i kind of

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went into okay now i gotta

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um let other people know who either have

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that there really is something

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going on you know what that is

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i still have no idea but um

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i'm definitely sure that something is

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happening

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and i saw something and that other

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people see stuff and

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you know so i figured i i would do this

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as a place to to kind of you know offer

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people um

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for the most part and non-biased uh a

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show

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and uh research channel so so people

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could um you know get

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that kind of information

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straight to the point kind of way you

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know here's the document this is what it

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says you don't need to dress it up you

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don't need to make it

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grandiose or extravagant because it just

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is it is what it is

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um and if you you know put the time in

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to pay attention to that and listen or

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read for yourself uh you'll find that so

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you know that's kind of how i got into

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that's awesome well and i really do i'd

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love to talk more about your research

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and i really do admire your work and

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your approach to the work

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um do you do you feel comfortable at all

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discussing the experience that you have

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that kind of kicked this off for you

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um yeah sure um

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there's a couple places

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um i think people can hear it at this

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point

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engaging the phenomenon channel is one

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um my own channel is another somewhere

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i've talked about it um but basically

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it's it's it's a long drawn out

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kind of thing

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as to not take up you know the whole

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time the whole hour or whatever

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um but it was the year of uh coronavirus

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when it was like really going strong

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and i believe it was uh march maybe of

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is is when it started going real strong

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and people didn't really know what to do

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um at that point i made a decision to um

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bowl in this league

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with a family member my dad

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bowling game coronavirus was pretty bad

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and i was kind of stressing out as far

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as what to do with bowling

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my father still wanted a bowl

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those hard choices to make during corona

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and i was still willing to do it as long

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as people would wear masks

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um so as the week approaches

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um that tuesday night we're supposed to

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i'm outside uh smoking a cigarette

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i'm about to walk inside

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and i look up uh over my house over the

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back door and there's like a big

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uh like a sideways teardrop thing with a

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little bit of a curve to it

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um it was milky thick dense white

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and um which was maybe

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in in

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out like it didn't drop from the sky

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um it was more of like a sideways thing

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and just came in the sky and out of this

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it was really big and super far away um

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length it was maybe the size of my hand

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my whole hand wow um

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then i just went inside it didn't really

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you know i knew i just saw something

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awesome but um i wasn't to the point

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uh everything's changed for me i got to

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figure out what this is it was i was

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taking it back a little bit but moved on

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the bowling no one's wearing masks one

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thing leads to another and my father and

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i getting a big argument

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you know kind of texting each other or

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whatever the next day

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and we decided to have a phone call

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on the phone and it even just got worse

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on the phone call like uh the worst you

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could imagine kind of argument

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with your parent is is what happened

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which isn't weird for some people i

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always say that but it's uh weird for

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myself because we never did that before

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why mentioning that is because um while

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this is happening

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realizing that the the stream i had a

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couple years prior where i got in that

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type of argument with him

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uh i had one of those dreams and had

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stayed with me like the whole day like

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the feeling and i remember thinking like

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why would this ever happen what a

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terrible dream and that just

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eventually

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shook it off as the day progressed

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but as we're you know having that

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argument that's coming back to me and

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i'm like what the heck like

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i cannot believe

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that it actually happened kind of thing

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um and

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other than that the whole thing was um

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emotional and kind of crummy

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a couple days after that a couple days

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pass uh i'm outside

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having a cigarette which i don't condone

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um and instead of looking

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towards the back door where i'm about to

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head inside

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i'm in the same kind of spot but i'm

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looking towards the garage which is over

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you know to the to the side

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and i'm under like this tree that we

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have in the backyard and i'm looking

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uh at the garage

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and so out of nowhere like his zipper

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light comes over my shoulder

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i can't really explain it

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other than i knew i was about to see the

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same thing again

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and i hate to keep uh like looking in

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the trajectory of where that light went

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and i would see it

293
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and sure enough i like the light goes

294
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this way i'm fixed that way and here it

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comes

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um so it's it wasn't uh the sideways

297
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teardrop look it was like uh

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at arm's length i guess it was the size

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of my hand again like a basketball maybe

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even

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um

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and but it was it was like a round

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uh

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round version of the same thing same

305
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substance milky substance inside same

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like a lighter silver color border the

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whole thing

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seemed alive again it was like

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like a

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real milky foggy

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dense cloudy substance on the inside

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um

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and it almost looked like it sat there

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for a second

315
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but it

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looked like it went on the other side of

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the garage basically

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which of course it didn't nothing was

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there but

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um again it just like disappeared and

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uh that was that and

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after that happened

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um

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that's when i was a pretty

325
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like um

326
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that whole

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sequence of events changed me

328
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you know for sure

329
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um and changed the trajectory of my life

330
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and you know even to what i'm focusing

331
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on which is doing this which i never

332
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thought i would do

333
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in a million years you know um

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and

335
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like the the dream part of it a lot of

336
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people could say you know that's just

337
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like association or whatever

338
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um

339
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but

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it's like

341
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that dream part is what kind of clicked

342
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it all together for me almost like

343
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i see these two crazy things another

344
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crazy thing happens like a

345
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a dream came true that i could have

346
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never seen happening

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um

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349
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so it i just my world was kind of rocked

350
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a little bit i guess and

351
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you know i'm not sitting here saying

352
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either that you know all those three

353
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things are for sure you know uh

354
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intertwined or whatever um but i don't

355
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know what else to think at this point

356
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you know

357
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um it's like winning the lottery three

358
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times in a row in like a week you know

359
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um it's just the chances are so

360
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uh my newt that

361
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you know when i work and look for stuff

362
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i have all these things in mind

363
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um

364
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but

365
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i'm not you know i

366
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also make a point to not

367
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put things together just to put things

368
00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:22,079
together you know when i'm doing

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research

370
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you know and making sure that it's you

371
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know as unbiased as possible

372
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uh because you know i don't want to feel

373
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crazy or be crazy you know and that's a

374
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part of why i did this research too

375
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um it was important me to find out that

376
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this stuff was real so i you know

377
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didn't feel that way

378
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and you know i've never seen anything

379
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like that again

380
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um never

381
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really uh one at least a couple that

382
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were really impactful

383
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one was definitely like a weird

384
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premonition

385
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thing came true kind of thing

386
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that was the biggest experience i've

387
00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:07,040
ever had in my life and never had it

388
00:14:11,189 --> 00:14:09,360
again so far but i guess it's only been

389
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you know less than two years

390
00:14:15,509 --> 00:14:12,399
but

391
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um and i've seen other things for sure

392
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um

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[Music]

394
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nothing as close or as uh wild looking

395
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as those two things ever ever since

396
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that is why

397
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yeah

398
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:30,720
and and i guess there's kind of

399
00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:32,160
more to it

400
00:14:37,829 --> 00:14:34,560
but not really i mean that's that's the

401
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the meat and bones of the story so

402
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well thank you so much for sharing it i

403
00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:41,760
really appreciate that

404
00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:43,680
oh yeah it's good it's good to talk

405
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,360
about it like the more i do talk about

406
00:14:49,509 --> 00:14:47,519
it the less um

407
00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:49,519
emotional it makes me when i would first

408
00:14:52,389 --> 00:14:50,959
kind of talk about it it would it would

409
00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:52,399
be hard to

410
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to discuss you know it really would be

411
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but at this point it's not as difficult

412
00:15:01,350 --> 00:14:59,360
to talk about anymore so

413
00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:01,360
you know it's good to do that

414
00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:02,800
yeah yeah i know that makes a lot of

415
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sense

416
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i have a weird question and

417
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i feel like so i definitely have

418
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this has been less than a year for me

419
00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:12,399
since i got into this but i same thing

420
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just like full bore right

421
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um and i've talked to a few other people

422
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through this process of having

423
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conversations and it seems like there

424
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are

425
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a lot of people who over the last like

426
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two to three years have kind of for

427
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whatever reason through an experience or

428
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:27,199
just through curiosity kind of had this

429
00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:28,639
awakening

430
00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:31,360
do you think it's something that's going

431
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like that it has something to do with

432
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like what's going on in general with the

433
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disclosure movement or becoming more

434
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just being talked about slightly more or

435
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do you think maybe the pandemic and just

436
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having people having more time and

437
00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:43,519
thought to themselves that maybe that

438
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has kind of led to it i'm just curious

439
00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:47,120
if you if you think the pandemic had

440
00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:48,639
anything to do with your having that

441
00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:50,160
experience

442
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:53,600
uh well the first thing i would say is

443
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any opinion that i would have

444
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at this point is kind of irrelevant but

445
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:01,600
in speculation

446
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:05,920
um but you know if i had to guess um

447
00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:12,790
the phenomenon whatever it is i've seen

448
00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:15,040
enough reports where it pulls on

449
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:16,399
people's psyche

450
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:17,920
which i think a lot of the times is

451
00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:19,600
attached to emotion

452
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:22,320
and when you're in kind of a darker

453
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:24,320
place because of maybe something like

454
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coronavirus

455
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:27,839
maybe you're more apt to have

456
00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:29,759
experiences like that

457
00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:30,639
you know

458
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:32,480
for whatever reason i don't know what

459
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:33,519
that is

460
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:34,880
um

461
00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:36,880
i think it also kept a lot of people

462
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:39,440
obviously inside um

463
00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:41,040
i think people

464
00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:42,800
had all sorts of different experiences

465
00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:44,720
whether they got really close to family

466
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:45,839
or

467
00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:48,160
you know uh went the opposite way with

468
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family a lot of people were isolated by

469
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:51,440
themselves

470
00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:52,800
um

471
00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:54,480
you know and maybe there are more people

472
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:56,560
looking up who knows

473
00:17:02,790 --> 00:16:59,600
um so i think

474
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:02,800
maybe not like some sort of intentional

475
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:05,439
type of thing but i think

476
00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:07,039
you know without looking at numbers and

477
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:09,280
stats and stuff too like

478
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,280
it seems that way that a lot of people

479
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:13,439
have had experiences within the last

480
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:16,160
couple of years or whatever

481
00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:17,280
um

482
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:19,760
you know and i can't say why that is if

483
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:22,160
if i look at it historically

484
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:25,280
i can say that there's always been kind

485
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of uh

486
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periods of

487
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:30,000
not even flaps where things happen

488
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:32,720
within a couple days with just more

489
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like longer periods where things are

490
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um

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kind of active so to speak whatever that

492
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:42,080
is whether it be like a year's worth

493
00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:44,000
they're two years worth and then it

494
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:46,240
quiets down again for a little bit and

495
00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:47,600
vice versa

496
00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:50,400
as far as this um current like having a

497
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:51,600
connection to this current like

498
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:53,520
disclosure stuff

499
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um i'm not sure that's really hard to

500
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say uh

501
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:58,640
again if you compare

502
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:00,640
like now to to

503
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you know uh historic disclosure stuff

504
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:07,200
um there's always been

505
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:08,640
you know people from the government

506
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,640
coming out saying they're gonna stop

507
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:12,720
saying stuff for that they're gonna show

508
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,799
stuff for and disclosures coming and

509
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:16,559
there's a slow drip and all this kind of

510
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:21,039
stuff that's always happened um

511
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:24,640
there is difference now to where there's

512
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you know um some videos came out whether

513
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you know

514
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:31,440
whatever people think they are videos

515
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:32,400
came out

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that the government you know defined as

517
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uap

518
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um

519
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:39,440
and

520
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:40,960
there's an office

521
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,360
that's happened before like blue book or

522
00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:45,360
whatever but it's public

523
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and congress made it happen

524
00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:48,400
you know

525
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,600
um and there's reports that are

526
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:53,760
going to congress and there's

527
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:56,240
unclassified reports that are supposed

528
00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:57,520
to come out so there's a clear

529
00:19:02,549 --> 00:18:59,120
difference there

530
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:02,559
um as in years past

531
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,679
so

532
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:05,440
you know and we have war with russia and

533
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:09,120
ukraine i think our world seems to be in

534
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,080
a bit of a transition

535
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:16,150
what that means or how big of a

536
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:17,760
transition it is

537
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:20,080
only time will tell i guess

538
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:21,360
but

539
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:22,559
i

540
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:28,160
you know change really brought on

541
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:31,360
uh a lot of maybe my experiences as well

542
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:33,039
because a lot of my life was changing at

543
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:34,640
that time too

544
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:35,840
lived in a

545
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,000
house bought my first house shortly

546
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,400
before that lost a job i was at for a

547
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:42,320
while before that like a lot was

548
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,440
changing

549
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:44,960
for me so

550
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:45,840
maybe

551
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:48,559
if the world changes you know and things

552
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:51,200
are changing for a lot of people

553
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,640
you know and a lot more people are

554
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:53,919
experiencing things maybe there's

555
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:56,480
something to that i'm not sure but

556
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,000
um

557
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:00,400
you know the the best i can do at least

558
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:03,360
is observe and take it in

559
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:04,480
and

560
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,919
treat it as non-biased as possible

561
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,000
and that's why i study histories

562
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:12,720
hit the history side of this so much

563
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,080
so i can confidently say if things are

564
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,080
different or if they're not or if this

565
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,720
has happened before or if it hasn't

566
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,880
um because

567
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:24,799
you know i think a lot of people do get

568
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,559
sucked into

569
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:27,919
you know

570
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,080
different aspects of this without really

571
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:32,159
knowing if there is a difference from

572
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,320
previous times or not and kind of

573
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,400
haphazardly say well people have always

574
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:38,080
said that or

575
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,280
you know they're not going to show you

576
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,520
anything you know

577
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:43,120
whatever it is

578
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,880
um

579
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:46,720
at the in the end none of us really

580
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,280
really know and we just have our best

581
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,120
guess or judgment

582
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:53,440
but if you you know let's

583
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:56,720
look at what's happening now

584
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,679
and compare it to different historical

585
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,840
events

586
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:03,919
it's a lot different

587
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,919
you know do we know anything more about

588
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,799
this

589
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,280
i don't think so

590
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,720
but it

591
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:12,240
you know the trail looks like it's

592
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,159
taking us there

593
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,320
a lot more so than than it has in the

594
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:18,799
past in an honest way too

595
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:21,039
which is good you know like we don't

596
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,840
have

597
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,159
like elizondo or other people coming out

598
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:25,760
and saying they're

599
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,960
definitely ets and there's 56 species

600
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,039
and we you know

601
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:33,280
for this reason or that reason he's

602
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,480
playing it

603
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,880
as aboveboard as you would really want

604
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,440
someone to do it um you know in order to

605
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,440
be taken seriously right

606
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,520
um and people from the past whether they

607
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,080
were from nasa or cia or whatever

608
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,440
always came out with these are aliens

609
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:51,200
you know

610
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:52,400
and

611
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,280
ideas of what's happening i guess

612
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,720
so there that's another thing that's

613
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,320
different so

614
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,120
and i can say without

615
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,280
elizondo and shaun cahill is another guy

616
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,679
without them like um kind of

617
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,200
being around at the time of my

618
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:11,039
experience and when i started dipping my

619
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,400
feet in the water

620
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,559
uh looking at what people were talking

621
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:16,000
about what they were doing if they

622
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,919
weren't around

623
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,760
i i probably would have just hightailed

624
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,600
it out of there

625
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:23,760
and said i don't want any part of that

626
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,840
you know

627
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,360
because um it would have been

628
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:29,280
overwhelming to me

629
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:30,320
you know

630
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:34,880
slow and seriously and not jumping to

631
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:37,039
conclusions so to speak

632
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:38,000
um

633
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,679
no not that any of those conclusions are

634
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,960
wrong

635
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,640
and that would have been a mistake for

636
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,400
me as well because i met a lot of great

637
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,720
people since coming in here but the

638
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:48,720
simple fact is i may have not been here

639
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,520
if

640
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:51,520
it wasn't for them um

641
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:55,039
kind of making it seem okay so

642
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,240
i don't know

643
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,799
that's kind of a long answer i guess

644
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,480
no it's a great answer

645
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,120
i lose track of what i'm saying

646
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:04,960
no it's a great answer and i agree i

647
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,280
mean i think for me if it wasn't for lou

648
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,600
that i wouldn't have gotten as deep into

649
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:11,120
this as

650
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:12,640
as i did because i feel like you need

651
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,520
that that foothold of rationality like

652
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,080
that place to start from you know or

653
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,400
else you're just lost and i feel like he

654
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:22,320
was able to kind of provide that in a

655
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,679
way

656
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,280
yeah um

657
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,880
in terms of your research and just sort

658
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,400
of like everything that you've looked

659
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,760
you've looked into because i know that

660
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:31,039
you know

661
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,400
and i really admire by the way that you

662
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,559
had this really profound experience that

663
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,640
affected you deeply but that you still

664
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,880
have really insisted upon approaching

665
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,640
this topic with like

666
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,720
methodically and rationally

667
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:44,240
um

668
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,480
research what has kind of

669
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:51,200
surprised you the most as you've started

670
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,559
to you know really dig into the facts

671
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:56,880
sure i mean what surprised me the the

672
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:00,640
most is easy to me is um how

673
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,720
um how many uh encounters

674
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,440
um have happened with

675
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:09,520
pilots

676
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:14,480
or military men or whatever

677
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,279
um where they go unexplained you know

678
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:19,679
and there is no explanation

679
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,120
how much that has really happened and

680
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,159
we're still here at this point you know

681
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,400
that congress hasn't done this like

682
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,320
decades ago already

683
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,240
because when you look back at the like

684
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:34,000
blue book files and all that stuff it's

685
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:35,600
not

686
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,200
you know civilians one witness

687
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,600
um nothing makes sense i mean nothing

688
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:43,520
makes sense right but i mean

689
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,919
you know just nothing you can really

690
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,159
take seriously because it is just one

691
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:50,159
person or one witness and maybe they're

692
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,279
kind of a

693
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:53,200
eccentric type of person or whatever

694
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,640
it's

695
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,679
not

696
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,440
that you know

697
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,880
it's all

698
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,039
um not all either but

699
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,919
predominantly actually respectable

700
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,120
people

701
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:07,679
um that are reliable that have these

702
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,960
experiences and report them

703
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:13,039
and with the amount of those that have

704
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,400
actually occurred and i'm talking at

705
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,799
least like military people hundreds

706
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,760
you know

707
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,559
probably up to a thousand i would say

708
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,240
you know if i had to guess but i know at

709
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:24,720
least three three hundred at least

710
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,919
and that's just from like 47 to you know

711
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,799
maybe

712
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:30,320
60

713
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,360
or so

714
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:33,520
maybe even less time than that i stopped

715
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:39,029
um

716
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,120
so probably at least a thousand so it is

717
00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:43,120
surprising to me that

718
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,470
um

719
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:44,640
[Music]

720
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:45,919
that congress

721
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,799
that the government hasn't done anything

722
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,919
um

723
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,159
you know public at this point and the

724
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,159
other surprising thing to me is how many

725
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,480
people just have no idea in their view

726
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,240
of this whole topic

727
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:00,400
is uh completely

728
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,039
jaded and dependent upon

729
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,919
things that just

730
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:08,080
push them away from it at all and keep

731
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:09,440
it fantasy

732
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,640
you know

733
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,559
um if

734
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:14,960
like there were shows on television that

735
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,520
actually talked about these files and

736
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,640
showed them

737
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,559
you know and said hey look for yourself

738
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,240
this is intense

739
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:25,200
can you believe this versus

740
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,559
you know um

741
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,120
no offense i guess but ancient aliens

742
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:31,760
are like kind of like the alaska

743
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,919
pyramid or you know

744
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,120
which

745
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,440
it's just like it's

746
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,840
when you do that people have no choice

747
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:41,919
but to treat it as stories

748
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:45,120
in in fantasy whether it's true or not

749
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,480
because

750
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,400
they're not going to respect it unless

751
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,400
it comes from like the government source

752
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:52,400
whether they should or should not is

753
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,000
another question but that's just how it

754
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,600
is

755
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,600
so if they would bring it not just

756
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,200
roswell

757
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:00,960
all the time or

758
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,159
you know the five cases you know

759
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,159
um that are mostly talked about there's

760
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,760
so many cases people have never even

761
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,320
heard of air force cases navy cases and

762
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,039
all that stuff you know um

763
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,200
and if people just like

764
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,520
actually knew that it's a legit

765
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:19,279
unexplained thing

766
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,640
uh we'd be so much better off you know

767
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,039
so a part of my thing is awareness too

768
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,039
because um

769
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,600
being surprised by that um

770
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,000
you know is a lot of my motivation

771
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:34,159
and just how much crap people have gone

772
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,679
through for talking about their

773
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,200
experience

774
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:39,520
and how much stigma is attached to this

775
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,320
uh

776
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,480
you know subject

777
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,080
that these stories couldn't get out more

778
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:45,440
at the time

779
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,960
um just really um boils my blood so to

780
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:50,240
speak

781
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,039
um

782
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,520
and so that pushes me forward too but

783
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,360
that's been the most surprising

784
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,320
to me um definitely

785
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,880
yeah no i really i really identify with

786
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,640
that it's

787
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,919
it's hard

788
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,440
it makes you almost feel like you're

789
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:08,240
crazy you know because you

790
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:09,440
so

791
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,559
such a small percentage of the

792
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,559
population is anywhere close to even

793
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:14,320
being able to

794
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:15,919
not even believe it but even to just

795
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,120
like engage with the idea and and decide

796
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,039
whether or not they believe it

797
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,760
um what do you think in terms of if

798
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,440
you're if you were talking to someone

799
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,480
who was you know a skeptic but like very

800
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,320
rational like a very rational person who

801
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,880
has a gen genuinely wants to engage in

802
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,320
the inquiry

803
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,240
where would you direct someone to look

804
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,399
like where do you think the the best

805
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:40,720
evidence is

806
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:41,679
uh

807
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:45,440
i try to provide the best evidence

808
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:49,760
on my show i think the best evidence is

809
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,960
these blue book files in looking at the

810
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,120
right blue book files and looking at

811
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:57,360
enough of them to know the one thing i

812
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,720
can say is

813
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,240
try your best to

814
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,279
stay away from um like tv shows or

815
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:04,320
movies

816
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,840
or even uh books and just look at hard

817
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,320
stuff yourself and what those are are

818
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,640
government files right

819
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,960
look at government air force files and

820
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,640
it's all publicly available so don't

821
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:19,120
even watch my show just go look at it

822
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,240
yourself

823
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,559
and read it you know and take the time

824
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:23,760
and in that

825
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,840
you'll see a hoax or you'll see a meteor

826
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,840
or you'll see a plane but then you'll

827
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,399
start seeing ones like

828
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,679
really

829
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:35,039
uh

830
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:36,720
what

831
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,399
you know and uh oh my god you know and

832
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,799
as those build up you'll start realizing

833
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,960
that wow there is something here you

834
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,640
know it's just

835
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,840
um

836
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,080
a needle in a haystack

837
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,799
a haystack of just a bunch of static and

838
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:55,039
fuzz and people waving their arms to

839
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,559
distract you from

840
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,679
you know

841
00:30:01,430 --> 00:30:00,559
the reality of it i guess you could say

842
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,440
um

843
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,520
there are a few

844
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,039
you know they're not that there aren't

845
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:07,200
good books there are good books but if

846
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,640
you're going out there on your own to

847
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,080
try to choose one

848
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,159
it's incredibly difficult

849
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,720
to make sure that you pick one that's

850
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,720
you know going to be reliable because

851
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,399
you don't know because you don't know

852
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,919
anything

853
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,279
you know

854
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,960
and that's why i started with the with

855
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,640
the files and stuff like i didn't want

856
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,720
to just pick a book and i don't even

857
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,880
know much about the topic and

858
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,039
how am i supposed to take this stuff you

859
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,440
know so

860
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,039
that's what i would do is read documents

861
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:37,120
for yourself um if you only have so much

862
00:30:38,590 --> 00:30:38,240
time

863
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,600
um

864
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,159
[Music]

865
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,159
you know the the phenomenon the movie by

866
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,120
james fox is is is good

867
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,120
um but like any stuff with like even

868
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,440
like roswell or any of that i don't know

869
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:51,520
what to think of that stuff you know and

870
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,640
there's no government files on it so

871
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,320
maybe it's real maybe it isn't i don't

872
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,720
know but i know that there's government

873
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:01,039
hard files in the hundreds

874
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,320
of legitimate cases so that's what i

875
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,320
would say

876
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:08,880
that makes sense

877
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:11,600
um i know we've kind of hinted at it a

878
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,799
couple times now and it was actually a

879
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,240
topic that i wanted to talk to you about

880
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,279
which is this idea of

881
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,240
kind of the ufo discourse devolving into

882
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,880
almost like this infotainment kind of

883
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,760
vibe

884
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,519
uh like ancient aliens or like you know

885
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:27,360
these other kind of shows and you know

886
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,720
obviously there's a ton of people right

887
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,000
now creating

888
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:32,080
content in the space and it feels like

889
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:33,120
there's

890
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,320
kind of two things are happening

891
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,480
simultaneously which is honestly

892
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,720
disheartening which is that one it feels

893
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,720
like we're getting closer and closer to

894
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:42,720
potentially some kind of meaningful

895
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,440
disclosure but at the same time that the

896
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,320
community is like self-destructing it's

897
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,320
basically imploding and we're more

898
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,960
divided than we've ever been before

899
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,480
and it seems like a lot of this seems to

900
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,440
really be centered around the idea of

901
00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:00,080
you know lou elizondo in his credibility

902
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,679
which like i

903
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:03,440
personally think is kind of wild don't

904
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,399
really understand where people are

905
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,399
coming from with that but

906
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,960
um you know he's had a different vibe in

907
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:11,039
interviews lately where he's he's angry

908
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,399
which is not something that i saw from

909
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,159
him before but i think is you know

910
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:15,840
understandable considering what he's

911
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,159
gone through and you know he's talked a

912
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,640
little bit about destroying ufology and

913
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,399
i know that you recently did an episode

914
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:23,840
on that i really enjoyed it and i just

915
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,880
wanted to touch on that briefly and just

916
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,039
you know get your thoughts on

917
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,559
you know what do you make of this of

918
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,240
these you know people who are taking

919
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,840
kind of like this best champion we've

920
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:35,360
ever had for the cause and just like

921
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:37,120
raking him over the coals and you know

922
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:38,320
like what do you make of what's going on

923
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:39,440
right now

924
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,399
uh well the first thing um

925
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:44,159
i mean i can just tell you how i look at

926
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,279
it i guess

927
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:47,919
um which is when i think about who's

928
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,399
like raking elizondo over the coals or

929
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,080
who's saying bad stuff about it who are

930
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,720
they well to me they're people that

931
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,080
don't really make a whole lot of

932
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,240
difference in the end result of this

933
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,919
they're people that don't even really

934
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:02,000
seem to believe that anything's going on

935
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:03,360
to begin with

936
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,559
um

937
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,760
you know

938
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:07,120
so

939
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,399
when

940
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,480
i look at that aspect of it how serious

941
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,799
should i take it well maybe really not

942
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,559
that serious then

943
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,200
because it's not like good people who do

944
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,080
their work and are really um

945
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,519
by the book when they do their work and

946
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,640
they work hard are coming out and coming

947
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:25,679
up with

948
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,559
uh

949
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,440
cold hard facts or evidence to prove

950
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,559
their case that elizondo is this or that

951
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,640
you know like as far as bad

952
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,279
that's that doesn't exist so

953
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,039
in my book how i look at things

954
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:41,840
evidence-based paperwork documents

955
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:42,880
um but

956
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,440
enough testimony um that doesn't exist

957
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:49,279
for that to be so

958
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,159
um

959
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:52,720
you know if i were to recommend anything

960
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:56,399
to people it would be to quiet that out

961
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:57,200
um

962
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,640
and i think they just have uh you know

963
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,480
it's like with social media anyone has

964
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,320
the opportunity to have a really loud

965
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,799
voice if they yell loud enough you know

966
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,480
and other people

967
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,320
yell with them

968
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,960
um but it doesn't mean that they're a

969
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,480
majority

970
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,960
or that it makes a difference

971
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:18,399
you know

972
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,760
it just means that they're loud

973
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,639
so um a lot of good people

974
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,359
who are rational about things

975
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:29,119
don't want to get involved in stuff like

976
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,079
that

977
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,599
and if somebody's loud they're not going

978
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,919
to say anything back because like no

979
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,159
thank you i don't want anything to do

980
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,919
with that you know

981
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,079
but the flip side is there's also people

982
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,000
you know from

983
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,119
you know uh that also believe in the uap

984
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,280
thing or like elizondo

985
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,480
that get can get pretty nasty as well

986
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,599
you know

987
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,079
um and

988
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,000
to me i don't

989
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,160
think that you know an eye for an eye

990
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,800
kind of thing is how i roll at least

991
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,960
with things um

992
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,480
i think

993
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:07,040
and i'm not perfect obviously and i've

994
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,400
um

995
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,960
you know had a spat here there myself

996
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,880
which

997
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,359
it is what it is you know and i try to

998
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,440
move on and not repeat the pattern

999
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:20,000
basically or repeat the instance and

1000
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,760
better myself to

1001
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,520
so when that situation comes around

1002
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,760
again maybe my reaction can be more

1003
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,280
effective and what i've learned is it's

1004
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,119
not worth getting stuck in those mud

1005
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,960
traps

1006
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,400
because it's just

1007
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:34,480
spills negative energy all over the

1008
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,839
place and

1009
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:37,200
the main thing that i've come to

1010
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,960
conclusion of is a new person right

1011
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,040
like we just discussed is thinking about

1012
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,760
looking at this topic

1013
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,760
and they go to twitter

1014
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,599
and they look at twitter

1015
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,440
and they're looking at the different

1016
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,760
threads and what's going on

1017
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,040
and they're seeing people that believe

1018
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:57,119
in uap and light blue and they're seeing

1019
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,480
people that don't

1020
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:01,440
and they're both saying nasty stuff

1021
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,400
neither

1022
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,920
um

1023
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,440
are really presenting

1024
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,680
professionally any

1025
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:09,920
uh facts about uap

1026
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,160
or where it stands or educating anybody

1027
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:15,839
on the reality of it

1028
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:18,320
they just see

1029
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:19,119
hate

1030
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:22,640
and garbage being spewed at each other

1031
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,839
so

1032
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,599
what are they going to do are they going

1033
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,640
to say

1034
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,480
oh wow this is awesome i'm going to get

1035
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,480
in on the loose side and start slinging

1036
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,240
crap too or

1037
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,160
you know what i'm going to start saying

1038
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,240
he's full of it as well like this is

1039
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,359
great no they're going to say whoa

1040
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,680
maybe i won't join

1041
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:43,119
the twitter thing

1042
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:44,160
right now

1043
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,119
you know

1044
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,320
that's that's what would happen so

1045
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,839
like

1046
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,440
you know

1047
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,960
whether you

1048
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,200
whatever you think about uaps or

1049
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,560
whatever if you're paying attention to

1050
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:59,440
the topic and you legitimately care on

1051
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,480
truth

1052
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:02,000
i think

1053
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:07,520
you have to show a certain amount of

1054
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:08,480
um

1055
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,640
have to be an adult have to be a

1056
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,640
grown-up and

1057
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,720
you know so when people look that

1058
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:18,079
there's a light

1059
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,200
being

1060
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,440
shined on the topic so that when people

1061
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,920
go there they want something they want

1062
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,839
to be a part of that and they see

1063
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,760
helpful people that are working through

1064
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:29,520
this to find truth

1065
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,720
um that are humble uh prepared to be

1066
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,400
wrong

1067
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,680
work hard

1068
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:37,680
you know genuine

1069
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:41,359
uh not not extravagant for for no reason

1070
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,480
you know

1071
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:44,960
um that's what people need to see and i

1072
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,079
think the only way this would really

1073
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:51,040
genuinely go forward on a people-based

1074
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:52,720
um process

1075
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:53,680
is

1076
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,200
with more people involved that know

1077
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,280
that the real deal the facts the real

1078
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,520
documents on this stuff and what the

1079
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,200
reality is

1080
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:05,359
and if we can't be professional on

1081
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,880
social media and you know have some

1082
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,800
level of respect there

1083
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,200
people are going to completely be

1084
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,960
pushed away all the time

1085
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:16,320
you know

1086
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,440
so

1087
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,960
i think it's

1088
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,960
how wherever you stand on this you got

1089
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,839
to be

1090
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,040
you can't

1091
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,880
go lower than the other guy or go low

1092
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,640
because that guy's going low like that's

1093
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,520
just um you just can't do it

1094
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:32,640
you can't do it um

1095
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,160
and as far as like uh like ufo tame it

1096
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:41,190
um

1097
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:42,079
you know

1098
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,599
people can do

1099
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,280
in the end

1100
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,200
like people are gonna choose what they

1101
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,520
spend their time on you know

1102
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,560
um some people are gonna like that route

1103
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:54,880
and if they do and it's full of trash

1104
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,599
like that sucks but i'm here doing my

1105
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,480
thing and all i can do is hope that that

1106
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:01,760
person

1107
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,400
finds out that there are people that are

1108
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:06,400
trying to do things

1109
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,599
um seriously or realistically

1110
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,920
and that they find that and and see

1111
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:14,320
something in it

1112
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:17,680
that makes them actually want to engage

1113
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:18,640
um

1114
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:22,000
that's all i can do you know

1115
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,079
this topic has been ufotainment forever

1116
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,400
you know it's always been that way

1117
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:30,640
um and it because it's easy to go that

1118
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,510
because

1119
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,520
you know it's full of a bunch of people

1120
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,440
that are ready to be taken advantage of

1121
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,720
basically

1122
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,520
you know that are looking for an answer

1123
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,640
uh looking for hope um

1124
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:48,640
looking for a distraction almost

1125
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,680
sometimes from their real life for their

1126
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,920
their you know in person life

1127
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,680
there's all sorts of stuff

1128
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,680
all sorts of reasons

1129
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,440
but people come in here and charge a

1130
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,680
bunch of money and call it disclosure

1131
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,839
that happens all the time

1132
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:06,160
you know yeah um

1133
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,319
so the only way you can really fight it

1134
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,839
is by

1135
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:13,520
doing your thing

1136
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:16,400
um with integrity

1137
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,440
and just hope that other people uh see

1138
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,920
it and follow you and you can influence

1139
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,200
other people

1140
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,359
and you know that influence kind of

1141
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,920
takes the majority at some point

1142
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,599
and maybe it won't but it definitely

1143
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:31,920
won't if you know we don't do our part

1144
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,190
that's all you can really ask for and

1145
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:39,440
hope for i guess

1146
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,640
yeah no i agree i think um

1147
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,880
something that troubles me because i i'm

1148
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,480
in this like i don't make money off of

1149
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,480
this not to say that i never would but i

1150
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:50,400
don't know i don't plan on it i have a

1151
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,520
job you know um i'm here because i want

1152
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:55,280
to help in whatever way that i can and i

1153
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,240
really get the sense you know that

1154
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:58,240
you're doing that as well and i think

1155
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:59,119
what's

1156
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,560
like i'm trying to overcome like i'm a

1157
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:04,560
marketer so in my real life so it's

1158
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,680
almost like you know when you're a

1159
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,280
hammer everything looks like a nail so

1160
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,720
to me i'm kind of looking at this like a

1161
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,200
messaging problem right and a messaging

1162
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,880
problem that i see that we have is that

1163
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,480
there are people

1164
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,680
of that ilk who

1165
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,160
get followers and kind of grow their

1166
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,400
little cottage industry by offering some

1167
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,319
kind of certainty by offer like this is

1168
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,079
the answer i have the answer i'm giving

1169
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,960
you the answer you know and i think that

1170
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,720
what we're what people like you and i

1171
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,800
are asking your average person to do is

1172
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,880
to take their certainty

1173
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,200
and get rid of it and to replace it not

1174
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,680
with some new certainty but with another

1175
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:40,640
set

1176
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:44,319
honestly at this point

1177
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,359
sure

1178
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:47,119
and i just i sometimes i wonder i'd just

1179
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:48,319
love to hear your thoughts on that and

1180
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,599
like how

1181
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,280
like the challenge of that is the

1182
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,800
creator

1183
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,359
yeah and i i can't uh

1184
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,400
i guess speaks without knowing like uh

1185
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,720
specifically what kind of situation

1186
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,720
you're talking about i can say you know

1187
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:03,760
generally

1188
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,640
yeah of course uh if somebody is is

1189
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,800
saying that they know what the deal is

1190
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,040
or they have an answer like

1191
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:12,640
that means they don't it's opposite

1192
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,240
world and ufo land you know uh when

1193
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,800
somebody is humble about it and really

1194
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,480
doesn't know

1195
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,480
you know much further than that it

1196
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,599
exists

1197
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,119
that's maybe something that you can

1198
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,359
listen to and gravitate towards

1199
00:42:32,829 --> 00:42:30,000
um because

1200
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,839
you know if somebody says they're aliens

1201
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,359
extraterrestrials okay prove it

1202
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,720
you can approve it

1203
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,200
they'll give a bunch of uh maybe second

1204
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,839
or third hand witness testimony um it

1205
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,920
just makes sense that's the most you

1206
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,920
know honest assessment you can give

1207
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,160
because what else could it be that's not

1208
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:50,240
proof of anything you know

1209
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:51,280
and yeah

1210
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,280
you know i want to have an answer so bad

1211
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:56,960
but i'm not gonna

1212
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,400
um just on something this serious

1213
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:02,400
just say oh yeah you're right what else

1214
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,760
could it be must be that you know

1215
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,000
you know and that's a

1216
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,319
generalization people do it in different

1217
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:12,480
ways but yeah

1218
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,599
like

1219
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:15,280
there

1220
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,440
hard proof of what this thing is

1221
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:22,240
you know there is only

1222
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,280
uh

1223
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,200
stories the majority of those

1224
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,079
experiences and what that could mean

1225
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,079
um you know if you had one yourself what

1226
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,079
that means to you

1227
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,079
and

1228
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,920
that's all you can really work with you

1229
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,839
know

1230
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,359
in the end

1231
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,079
you have to stay open like that

1232
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,839
you know

1233
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,440
until there's

1234
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,520
until you're able to like touch his

1235
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,920
freaking spaceship or something or or

1236
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:51,440
ride it or

1237
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,400
jump into a different dimension yourself

1238
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,040
can't do it it's no different than

1239
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,000
you know a telephone basically you know

1240
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:01,680
as as a boss

1241
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,280
in my job my real job and all that stuff

1242
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,280
somebody comes up to me and says this

1243
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,440
person said that and they did this

1244
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,400
and it's terrible you know

1245
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:15,280
i'm not gonna just say oh okay

1246
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,400
let they're in big trouble you know like

1247
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,040
let's get them no like that's not how it

1248
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,000
works you know or the company would you

1249
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,359
know go

1250
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:27,440
i wouldn't have anyone working here

1251
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:28,400
you

1252
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,480
have to what's the data like

1253
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,640
like how do i really know this

1254
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,560
and then take the steps necessarily

1255
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,960
necessary if you can't figure it out and

1256
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,119
if you can't no matter how much you want

1257
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:42,960
to believe them that it happened you

1258
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,920
can't act on it because it's not fair

1259
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:48,480
you know because you don't know

1260
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,520
so

1261
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,520
that that's kind of the mentality i

1262
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,440
bring to this

1263
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,760
at least through my you know journey

1264
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:56,720
here

1265
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,520
and it's

1266
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,520
you know it's

1267
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:01,520
you know in a lot bigger way it's that

1268
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,240
muchology i guess too

1269
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,839
yeah no that makes a lot of sense and i

1270
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,240
think um

1271
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,920
something that i that i find really

1272
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,200
interesting about it and that you just

1273
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,440
kind of touched on is

1274
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,440
as you go down this rabbit hole and you

1275
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,880
start you know really asking these

1276
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,960
questions for me it very quickly the

1277
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,040
question switched from

1278
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,720
are ufos real

1279
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,240
to

1280
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,589
like how do i know that i know what i

1281
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:30,480
know

1282
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:31,359
and

1283
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,200
ways is daunting for people because when

1284
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,839
you start asking these questions

1285
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,440
there's kind of an unraveling that

1286
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,280
happens you know there's this kind of

1287
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:43,359
paradigm that we have in our our culture

1288
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,800
where we feel like

1289
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:46,160
we have figured out just about

1290
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,520
everything there is to figure out

1291
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,800
there's you know there's probably some

1292
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,480
more but for the most part we've got a

1293
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:52,160
lot you know unlocked we understand who

1294
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,599
we are we understand where we come from

1295
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,520
we understand what reality is

1296
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:58,160
um and i think that beginning to you

1297
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,760
start pulling that one thread like it

1298
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,359
feels like ufos for me was just that

1299
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,640
first thread and you start pulling it

1300
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:04,400
you're like oh like

1301
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,359
things are actually a lot more

1302
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,680
complicated than i thought they were

1303
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:10,079
yeah i i don't know i think it's as

1304
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,440
complicated as uh you you know allow it

1305
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,280
to be so to speak

1306
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,599
um if you start thinking about things

1307
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,880
like is this a simulation or

1308
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,640
getting into all that kind of stuff like

1309
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,800
it can get overwhelming really quick and

1310
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,800
again what's it really based off of what

1311
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,040
are the what's the backbone of it i

1312
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,119
think it's important to stay as grounded

1313
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,200
as possible with the stuff

1314
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:34,960
you know um

1315
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,640
and and only follow things that are

1316
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,200
hard you know whatever that may be

1317
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:43,440
um

1318
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,640
but

1319
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,480
it it can lead to a lot of different

1320
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,640
stuff yeah if you're not careful at

1321
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,920
least too

1322
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,480
you know um but

1323
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,000
the only other place that i've really

1324
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,960
gone with the ufo stuff is consciousness

1325
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:59,119
and the reason i let myself go there is

1326
00:47:01,510 --> 00:47:00,240
because

1327
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,520
uh

1328
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,400
that can only be a healthy way to go if

1329
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,960
if you treat it you know with respect

1330
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,880
if you want to

1331
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:10,800
dive into your own consciousness and

1332
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,760
meditate and figure yourself out more

1333
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,520
how can that be a bad thing

1334
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,000
and if it just so happens that this ufo

1335
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:20,000
thing may have a lot to do with that

1336
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:21,440
well

1337
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,480
awesome

1338
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:23,680
if it doesn't

1339
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,760
well at least i'm learning a lot more

1340
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:28,000
about myself in the meantime

1341
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,960
you know

1342
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:30,559
doing some meditation and all that kind

1343
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:31,599
of stuff

1344
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,850
um

1345
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,680
[Music]

1346
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,680
but yeah i guess i don't know what to

1347
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,400
really say there other than

1348
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,839
um

1349
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,000
yeah just take it take it slow

1350
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,800
take it slow don't jump to conclusions

1351
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,720
um

1352
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:47,920
and

1353
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:50,400
you know stay grounded it

1354
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:53,680
as hard as it can be too i think

1355
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:02,790
don't forget to enjoy like um you know

1356
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,119
the now the moment you're in

1357
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,200
rather than living in the future about

1358
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,960
what you have to do or what's coming up

1359
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:11,200
or the past and what's happened before

1360
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,319
whatever

1361
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,520
just um

1362
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,079
try to be in the present in the now

1363
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:18,160
and be grateful for the things you have

1364
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,839
whether it be family or or work or you

1365
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,280
know loved ones

1366
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,440
cats dogs

1367
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,200
because i think

1368
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,920
the best things in life are in those

1369
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,839
moments when you can be present with

1370
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:33,119
that

1371
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,559
i think everything will be okay

1372
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,640
yeah absolutely

1373
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,040
so in terms of everything that we've got

1374
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,760
going on obviously um you know with

1375
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,920
congress and all of that this year do

1376
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,599
you i know it'll just be wild

1377
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,599
speculation but where do you think this

1378
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,680
is headed do you think that like

1379
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,359
do you expect that people like the

1380
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,040
public at large is going to start taking

1381
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,520
this more seriously as congress you know

1382
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,520
starts receiving these reports from the

1383
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:05,359
new ufo office or do you expect it to be

1384
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,720
kind of more of this like more of the

1385
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:07,920
same

1386
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:10,160
uh well he we're kind of getting mixed

1387
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:13,040
messages it seems like to me it's like

1388
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,640
although this stuff is moving forward

1389
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,119
there's aspects of it

1390
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,800
it seems like they're trying to clamp

1391
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:21,280
down and you know keep things classified

1392
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,319
or whatever

1393
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,400
like more of the uap report came out and

1394
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,280
it's basically all blacked out

1395
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,440
but then these uh awesome reports came

1396
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,359
out which i think we could learn a lot

1397
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,200
from that kind of stuff

1398
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,559
um but as far as uh congress and us they

1399
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:39,040
want to give us more information that i

1400
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,920
know

1401
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,079
um

1402
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:44,480
you can tell because they're a lot of

1403
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,200
them are career government people yeah

1404
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,720
you know they like

1405
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,880
they get elected there's election cycles

1406
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,520
and uh and all that so if there's a

1407
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,200
truth of the matter

1408
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,079
um you know they'll want us to know

1409
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,000
somebody will want us to know

1410
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:01,839
even if it's for a selfish reason to be

1411
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,960
the one who told us someone will do it

1412
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,160
you know

1413
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:07,680
um so

1414
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:11,520
as long as um this process continues and

1415
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,079
there's actual real oversight i i feel

1416
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,160
like more truth will come uh when

1417
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:17,839
that'll be

1418
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,880
i think it'll be probably a slow process

1419
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,920
you know

1420
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,880
um

1421
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,480
considering like

1422
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:26,720
the preliminary assessment they didn't

1423
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:29,440
know what the things were you know

1424
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:32,000
so what are the chances that in a year's

1425
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:32,960
time

1426
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,160
oh we know we know everything it is now

1427
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:39,359
probably not you know but maybe

1428
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:45,750
you know

1429
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,160
this percentage we're definitely foreign

1430
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,359
20 this percentage it's impossible for

1431
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,040
it to be man-made

1432
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:55,280
you know something like that

1433
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,319
um

1434
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,760
that's what i would

1435
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:59,520
look forward to

1436
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,400
is

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00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:02,720
you know fifty percent of these

1438
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,319
we've decided it's impossible for anyone

1439
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,960
human to make it and it exists and it

1440
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,040
happened

1441
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,280
that's it you know and we're trying to

1442
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,040
figure out more about it at this point

1443
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,040
we don't have much to offer

1444
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,200
i forgive you cool thanks for telling me

1445
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,960
you know you know

1446
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,960
um that's a start

1447
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,040
um but some people just you know want to

1448
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,200
think that it's aliens and we have ships

1449
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,800
and they're just uh lying through their

1450
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:30,880
teeth constantly and all the time i'm

1451
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,319
not one to go that route i'm one to go

1452
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,200
the route of this has happened has been

1453
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,200
around the whole time it's always been

1454
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,599
confusing to decide what's real and what

1455
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,359
isn't it's an incredibly hard thing to

1456
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:44,880
come to grips with especially when

1457
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,680
you're in power to say no that there is

1458
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,680
uh you know something we don't know what

1459
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,839
it is and even if you do are we supposed

1460
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,359
to just go straight to the public and

1461
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,839
say hello these things are harassing our

1462
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,640
uh

1463
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,640
fighter jets and and we don't know what

1464
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,960
to do you know

1465
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:02,880
you know i think it's easy to say if

1466
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:07,750
and i don't think

1467
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,599
i don't think it's you know as big of a

1468
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,440
cover-up as people make it out to be as

1469
00:52:16,350 --> 00:52:14,720
much as

1470
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:16,360
negligence

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00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:17,440
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1472
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,559
unable to admit the truth

1473
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,040
you know to themselves let alone their

1474
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,119
bosses or superiors

1475
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,880
i mean i could be wrong how would i know

1476
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,119
without actually being there but that's

1477
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,520
just like from what i've

1478
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,520
the work that i've done and if i'm going

1479
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,839
by that and trusting myself that's what

1480
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,760
i would say you know

1481
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,880
but

1482
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:41,119
and if that's the case i think that

1483
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,559
bodes well for us too to get more

1484
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,720
information because as people are more

1485
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:45,680
willing

1486
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:47,760
uh to accept that fact i think they'll

1487
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,800
bring the world with with them you know

1488
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,319
hopefully

1489
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,520
so

1490
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,520
just i tend to agree i tend to agree

1491
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,920
with that um i wonder i mean listen

1492
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,359
there could be some giant cover-up but i

1493
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:01,200
do wonder if the cover-up is that they

1494
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:02,720
have no idea

1495
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,920
and i wonder if we all decided to wake

1496
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,440
up to it tomorrow and they put the full

1497
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,800
force of like our government our

1498
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,040
military behind figuring this out i

1499
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:12,800
wonder if we still might not figure it

1500
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,440
out you know it might maybe not

1501
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,240
we might not i think you have to accept

1502
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:20,079
not knowing the answer because we might

1503
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,680
we just might not

1504
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,920
yeah you have to accept that uh you may

1505
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:26,240
never know

1506
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,200
you know

1507
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,119
for for sure and be okay with that it's

1508
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,000
like uh you know in sports um

1509
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,640
like uh i'm a packer guy i love my green

1510
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,640
bay packers right i don't really watch

1511
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,559
much sports anymore but the packers i'll

1512
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:39,760
still watch

1513
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,559
um

1514
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:42,640
and they always blow it in the playoffs

1515
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,280
and it's to me it's because they're

1516
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:48,880
they can't

1517
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:52,400
to be okay with

1518
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,520
losing

1519
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,240
you know you have to be okay with the

1520
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,640
fact that you might lose this game and

1521
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,960
it's gonna be okay

1522
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,559
that's the mentality you need to bring

1523
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,160
to the game

1524
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,720
to win oddly enough

1525
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:08,880
um and that's the same thing here you

1526
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,079
have to be okay with knowing that you

1527
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,839
probably aren't going to know or may not

1528
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:16,000
know and other people may not figure it

1529
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:17,920
out for you either

1530
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:20,319
you know and you have to accept that

1531
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,200
um

1532
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,839
in order to you know do your thing the

1533
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:25,280
way it should be done

1534
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:26,480
and that might be the case for the

1535
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,680
government too and also like

1536
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,520
you know if it's not an emergency if

1537
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,880
it's not like these things aren't

1538
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:34,960
dropping at people's yards or starting

1539
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,000
the fight or jets or whatever

1540
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,720
you know um

1541
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,640
they're not going to put more resources

1542
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,799
behind it i guess so to speak you know i

1543
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,640
feel like the reason that it's a little

1544
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,480
more important now is because there's so

1545
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,720
much more in the skies that we rely on

1546
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:52,319
infrastructure infrastructure-wise

1547
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:55,760
that they have to do something like

1548
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:58,319
all the satellites that we do all the

1549
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,160
work that we do with the electromagnetic

1550
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,799
spectrum all the jets all the planes all

1551
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,880
the drones like there's so much going on

1552
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,960
in the skies that

1553
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,119
something has to be figured out or it's

1554
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,520
just going to be a complete disaster

1555
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,760
you know which which it could be

1556
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,760
on the brink of already but um it

1557
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:17,280
doesn't seem like it because you know

1558
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:18,799
it's not like things are crashing left

1559
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,240
and right but you know

1560
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,480
um i have a feeling that's

1561
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,480
uh why there could be an uptick in

1562
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,119
activity it's because we can't

1563
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:31,440
uh you know grow and do what we really

1564
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,760
want to do unless we handle this type of

1565
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,760
subject you know

1566
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,680
yeah because i think

1567
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,480
you make a great point absolutely

1568
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,680
um

1569
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,920
fantastic well listen sean this has been

1570
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,839
an absolutely wonderful conversation i

1571
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,359
really appreciate you taking the time

1572
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:49,520
today um for anybody who's pleased thank

1573
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:50,400
you

1574
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,680
yeah

1575
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,200
for anybody who's listening who would

1576
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,520
like to uh you know dive more into

1577
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:57,839
sean's research um i will put all of

1578
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,640
that his information in the episode

1579
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,400
notes below be sure to

1580
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,200
give him a subscribe while you are there

1581
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,880
um that definitely helps creators

1582
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,640
continue to do what they do

1583
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,319
um and sean if people were gonna look at

1584
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,480
your uh at your channel is there

1585
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,920
anywhere in particular any video that

1586
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,440
you would recommend they start with or

1587
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,880
any topic you would recommend they start

1588
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:17,760
with

1589
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,799
um

1590
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,359
not necessarily i mean uh if they go to

1591
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,040
my channel i think right now the

1592
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,960
highlighted one is lou elizondo that's a

1593
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:26,960
good one to start with

1594
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,839
um

1595
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:29,359
but i have a lot of other ones i have

1596
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,880
ones that are kind of more on the

1597
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:33,280
experiencer side and what that's like

1598
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,640
and uh my solo shows that you see are

1599
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,079
where it's just me and i don't have a

1600
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:40,240
guest are usually going to be more

1601
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,280
research

1602
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,599
education based so if you prefer to

1603
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,319
learn that's a good resource

1604
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:47,920
um

1605
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:52,640
lot too so

1606
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,079
uh the guests are are great uh as well

1607
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,760
it depends what your flavor is my root

1608
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,599
the research shows

1609
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,599
you know aren't for everyone because a

1610
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,160
lot of it's just like documents reading

1611
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,559
from documents yeah you know so that's

1612
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,640
not everyone's cup of tea but if you

1613
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:10,480
want to get um

1614
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,359
you know just a gist of

1615
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:15,760
um the right place to be right now i

1616
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,960
would say

1617
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:18,880
um louis lozando is a good place to

1618
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:21,040
follow that's a good place to be right

1619
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,960
now um

1620
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:24,160
and

1621
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,760
but if you're new i would say just take

1622
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:26,880
it slow

1623
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,640
and look at government documents

1624
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,640
okay decide for yourself

1625
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:34,240
and don't let anyone make up your mind

1626
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,440
for you

1627
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,680
yes that's a big thing on my podcast i

1628
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,040
don't i think everyone can make up their

1629
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:41,760
own mind absolutely

1630
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,880
and don't listen to anybody who tells

1631
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,000
you they have the answer because they're

1632
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,200
probably like correct we're selling yes

1633
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:49,920
or selling something yeah or both

1634
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,839
yeah they go hand in hand typically yeah

1635
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,599
well sean it's been an absolute pleasure

1636
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:57,040
thank you so much

1637
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,480
yeah i had a great time thanks so much

1638
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,559
for asking me i look forward to to uh

1639
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:02,240
checking it out

1640
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:10,810
um

1641
00:58:37,580 --> 00:58:35,670
[Music]

1642
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:37,590
oh